皮蓬认为攻防全能才能拿MVP,全明星老詹未尝一败

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[Post Game Thread] Team LeBron defeats Team Giannis in the 68th NBA
All-Star Game, 178-164.

Pippen on Harden and being looked at as an MVP: “If you dominate the
ball that much on the offense, then you have to show some dominance on
the defensive end. & that’s what I like about guys like a Paul George,
or a Giannis, Kawhi, those guys play the game full force.. and they win
the correct way

勒布朗队178-164战胜字母哥队,詹姆斯19分8篮板4助攻,杜兰特32分7篮板当选全明星赛MVP,汤普森20分。库里三分17中4得17分,字母哥38分11篮板5助攻,米德尔顿20分,乔治20分。

皮蓬谈哈登以及他的MVP前景:如果你在进攻端能够支配以及掌控球权,那么在防守端你也同样应该拿出统治力来,这就是为什么我喜欢乔治、莱昂纳德以及字母哥的原因,他们在攻防两端都能带给你压迫性,他们也以正确的方式赢球。

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[–]SpursOUisBack 1557 points 2 hours ago

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Team Lebron might have won but the real winners are the people who
watched dirk splash those three 3’s

[–][ORL] Aaron Gordonsupremehat13 1252 points 16 hours ago

马刺球迷:勒布朗可能是真正的赢家,但是真正的赢家是看德克连续进3个三分的人。

Pippen looks mad as shit in the thumbnail

[–]BucksiLoveBrazilianGirls 281 points 2 hours ago

魔术球迷:皮蓬也太锱铢必较了吧。

Yup, shit got me hyped.

[–]KnicksEasypeaseee 825 points 16 hours ago

雄鹿球迷:是的,让我们吹起来。

That’s just how much defence matters to him

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尼克斯球迷:这显示了防守对他有多重要啊。

[–][LAL] LeBron JamesCelalT 231 points 2 hours ago

[–]BullsHiImDavid 221 points 13 hours ago

big thanks to kawhi and dame for igniting the comeback

In all seriousness, given how much he focused on the defensive end, and
how his scoring took a significant uptick the year and a half Jordan was
playing baseball, I wonder how good of a scorer Pippen could have been
as a number one option for a 4-5 year stretch.

湖人球迷:感激莱昂纳德和利拉德激起反击浪潮!

By the time he went to Portland he was just past the tail-end of his
athletic prime so he never really got that chance.

[–][PHI] Andre IguodalaIputthescrewintuna 69 points 2 hours ago

公牛球迷:严格而言,考虑到他在防守端的投入程度,以及在乔丹打棒球一年半的时间里他得分的上扬程度,我不禁猜想皮蓬在长达4-5年作为得分第一选择时的场景。

Klay and Ben too

他去开拓者的时候已经是生涯晚期了,所以他几乎从来没有得到过这种机会啊。

76人球迷:还有克莱和本-西蒙斯哦。

[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 94 points 12 hours ago*

[–][BKN] D’Angelo RussellZeroFucksToGive 756 points 2 hours ago

Pippen is underrated at times because of the shadow that Jordan’s
success casts. Doesn’t help that Jordanstanis like Skip Bayless would
spout b.s. undermining Pippen to make Jordan seem more legendary.

Dame and Klay won them the game.

Reminder that Pippen also has 6 rings, also went 6 of 6 in the finals,
and also swept a 6 time FMVP in their career match-ups.

篮网球迷:利拉德和克莱帮助球队赢得了比赛。

As for those Portland years? Pippen wasn’t as good but still pretty
great. I’d say that basketball is a team game and Lakers were the better
team Kobe+Shaq+Phil(+Harper+Fisher+Horry+etcetc). Also the twin towers
Spurs in 99, Pop+Duncan+Robinson(+Elliot+Johnson+Elie+Kerr). Bold were
ex-Bulls.

[–][BOS] Jaylen BrownJB7FTW 336 points 2 hours ago

皮蓬实际上当时被低估得厉害,毕竟他一直生活在乔丹的阴影之下,当然乔丹吹那个时候也满嘴喷粪,实际上真的是皮蓬让乔丹变得更加神话。

And KD not missing anything

别忘记皮蓬也有6个总冠军戒指,他同样也6次杀入总决赛,同样在对位中帮助乔丹拿到了6个FMVP。

凯尔特人球迷:KD也是弹无虚发啊,没有错过任何东西。

置于在波特兰的岁月呢?皮蓬尽管没有那么强但是依然很棒啊,篮球毕竟是一个团体性运动湖人是一支更好的球队,他们有科比+沙克+杰克逊,同样还有99年的马刺双塔,波波+邓肯+罗宾逊,他们和曾经的公牛都能比肩了。

[–][ORL] Shaquille O’Nealskipatomskip 217 points 2 hours ago*

[–]chickendance638 51 points 11 hours ago

That quote from Durant basically saying he gets off from crushing a team
in the 4th is very true

I always think of Pippen as the #1 choice in the history of the league
for the 2nd best player on your team. He’s so versatile and doesn’t have
a weak point in his game. He can defend 1-4, gets steals, rebounds, can
play point guard, get to the rim, and make plays.

魔术球迷:杜兰特说过他会在第四节摧毁球队的言论真的是非常正确啊。

我总是觉得皮蓬是历史上最强的二当家,他非常全能,几乎没有弱点,他可以从1号位防守到4号位,可以抢断、抢篮板、打控球后卫、冲击篮筐并且支配球。

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[–]Raptorschicogarciamarquez 144 points 2 hours ago

[–]ThunderYour_Personal_Jesus 957 points 16 hours ago

Dame should win MVP

Pippen was negative all day yesterday. Having Valentine’s Day knowing
your ex-wife is hanging with Future gotta be hard.

猛龙球迷:利拉德应该赢得MVP。

雷霆球迷:昨天一整天皮蓬都很消极啊,毕竟情人节你的前妻和别人一起玩儿去了,想想这个总是很难过的。

[–][POR] Jusuf NurkicKazekid 86 points 2 hours ago

[–]TimberwolvesVoidPineapple 122 points 13 hours ago*

Make up for taking him out of the game when he was hot last year

I appreciate how in the full quote he doesn’t say that Harden doesn’t
play defense, he just doesn’t play defense with the same intensity as
the other guys. I think it’s fair to say that with his offensive load he
can take a few plays off on defense like LeBron’s been doing these past
couple years.

开拓者球迷:去年在我大米手感正佳的情况下让他下场了。

森林狼球迷:我还是很感激他整体的话里并没有说哈登根本不防守啊,他只是不像其他人一样在防守端施以相同的强度,我觉得公平说哈登肩上的进攻担子实在太重以至于他不能在防守端全力以赴,就好像曾经的勒布朗。

[–]Trail BlazersDroidTheReaper 24 points 2 hours ago

[–]jumanjiz 164 points 16 hours ago

He is the All Star game X factor

He’s not wrong.

开拓者球迷:他就是全明星赛上的X因素。

That said as a Rockets fan at this point I don’t want Harden focusing
more on the defensive end. He had to get better than what he was… and
he did… and that’s about his defensive ceiling.

[–]LakersKlay420 68 points 2 hours ago

He’ll never be able to stick with fast athletic guards and wings…
which is almost every nba guard and wing. He can guard the post.

I’ll say it once and say it again. Watching Klay and Simmons play with
each other was something I never knew I needed, but something I want so
bad now I’m the regular season.

Hardens skill/athleticism is about acceleration/deceleration. He has
very little lateral quickness relative to most nba guards/wings.

湖人球迷:我不得不再说一次,看着克莱和西蒙斯一起打球真的是我从来不知道我需要的,但是确实是我常规赛非常想看到的事物。

Focusing on trying to get better there when he can’t would make him a
worse player.

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But absolutely he trails Giannis in that regard. And PG and others.

[–]Wizardsdshmoneyy 355 points 2 hours ago*

他也没说错吧,尽管这个时候的火箭粉丝并不希望哈登把精力放在防守端,但是相较于现在的防守他有能力变得更棒……他也确实可以做到……这是关于他的防守上限的问题。

“Who y’all think winning MVP”

当然他是防不住那些快速的后卫和侧翼的……所以几乎是每个NBA侧翼和后卫都很难防,但是他低位防守很棒。

-“Are we still on air?”

哈登的技能/运动能力是节奏的变化,实际上相较于大部分NBA的后卫和侧翼,他几乎没啥侧移能力。

“Uhh yeah”

专注于他办不到的事情确实会让他变成一个更差的防守球员。

-“I got KD winning”

但是他在防守端肯定是要落后于字母哥、乔治和其他人的。

Lmao what

[–]Buckslord_beerus987 70 points 15 hours ago

奇才球迷:

‘win the correct way’ what the fuck does this even mean? I want Giannis
to win the MVP, but that kind of statement is just dumb. Winning is
winning, why does it matter how Pippen perceives ‘the right way’ to win
is.

“你觉得MVP是谁啊?”

雄鹿球迷:

“我们还能呼吸嘛?”

“以正确的方式赢球”这句话到底啥意思啊?我希望字母哥赢得MVP,但是这句话简直不要太蠢,赢球就是赢球,为啥皮蓬要强调赢球的方式呢?

“是的。”

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“那我选KD能赢。”

[–]david6588 297 points 16 hours ago

哈哈哈。

He’s right

[–]packersSB55champs 1438 points 2 hours ago*

皮二爷没毛病啊。

Team Giannis choked

[–]Heatwormhole222 223 points 16 hours ago

Harden even tried to help them but Curry out bricked him

Harden has been fine on defense this year.

字母哥队打得也太烂了。

热火球迷:哈登这个赛季防守实际上好得多。

哈登已经卧底勒布朗队了,但是库里还是在疯狂打铁啊。

[–]76ersMPuddin 41 points 16 hours ago

[–]Futtbucker612 819 points 2 hours ago

For real he’s second in total steals, third among guards for blocks, and
he plays great post up defense

Lol Steph out here shooting for charity

76人球迷:老实说哈登总抢断联盟第二,总盖帽后卫排第三,而且低位防守很好啊。

哈哈哈,斯蒂芬投进一个球就要捐钱给慈善机构了。

[–][TOR] OG Anunobyjovijovi99 206 points 15 hours ago

[–]LakersJayveesac[S] 458 points 2 hours ago*

Steals and blocks are gambles they’re not a guarantee on whether or not
you’re a good defender. Roberson gets less steals than Harden is he a
worse defender? Curry was the steals leader in 2016 that doesn’t make
him DPOY it just means he got the most steals.

34 point reversal damn

Harden has improved his defense greatly though but it’s nowhere near PG.

EDIT: In the second half!

猛龙球迷:抢断和盖帽赌博,他不能判断你是否是一个好的防守者,罗伯森抢断比哈登少,他是一个更差的防守者嘛?库里2016年抢断王但是这也帮助他获得年度最佳防守球员啊,这仅仅意味着他有最多的抢断罢了。

湖人球迷:34分逆转啊,该死。

哈登在防守端确实进步了很多,但这方面离乔治确实还差得远。

编辑:而且是在下半场哦!

[–]MagicOPisaVaG 87 points 15 hours ago

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forreal. Steals and blocks are nice but they give the false impression
of defense. Tenacity, boxing out, and intelligent switching mean 1000x
more than any steal or block. Things that dont show up on the box score.

[–]NBAlipstickpizza 193 points 2 hours ago

魔术球迷:确实如此,盖帽和抢断确实很棒,但是他们给予防守以错误印象、压迫、夹击以及聪明的换防要比抢断、盖帽更有意义,而这些东西并不会在计分板上体现出来。

Dirk plays, lead goes up, Team Giannis with momentum.

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Dirk sits, Team Giannis chokes a lead.

[–]otis_reading 42 points 14 hours ago

Dirk with 9 pts in 3 mins.

Most here don’t realize that Pippen and Jordan were probably the two
most disruptive defenders paired together (and maybe even
individually…especially if you exclude centers) during their time.

Coach dun goofed.

So while Jordan was the elite scorer, he–along with Pippen–were
amazing defensive forces. They could turn it on, pressure out past the 3
pt line, and completely turn games. There’s a good anecdote about them
playing on the Dream Team together and just destroying Kukoc (who was
rumored to be great and coming to the Bulls) just out of spite.

德克上了,领先上扬,字母哥队气势如虹。

很多人实际上没有意识到皮蓬和乔丹可能是在他们那个时候上最强防守组合(可能个体也是……毕竟球队没中锋)

德克坐下,字母哥队不再领先。

所以乔丹是精英级别的得分手,他和皮蓬同样有着不可思议的防守压迫性,他们一旦功力全开可以在3分线处就施压,而且一整场比赛都可以施加强度,有一件事情就是他们当时在梦之队打球然后在防守端摧毁了库科奇(当时库科奇据说很强,并且传闻要来公牛)。

德克3分钟得9分。

[–][HOU] Clint CapelaDuche07 72 points 16 hours ago

哎,都是教练的锅。

None of those players are carrying the load Harden is

[–]Cavaliersconstantvariables 229 points 2 hours ago

火箭球迷:没有哪个球员有哈登肩上的进攻压力重。

Fuckin Russ and PG man lmao

[–][TOR] OG AnunobyMC-Phillis 44 points 16 hours ago

骑士球迷:威少和乔治真的强哈哈哈。

True but what if Harden carried the same load as these other superstars?
I don’t think that his defensive impact would change much

[–][DEN] Nikola JokicBOOOOOiiiiiiiii 311 points 2 hours ago

猛龙球迷:确实如此,但是如果哈登和其他超级巨星进攻担子一样重呢?我不觉得他的防守影响力会因此改变很多。

Russ doing his best westbrook impression

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掘金球迷:威少做到了经典的威少印象。

[–]Rocketsoldreddit1 42 points 15 hours ago

[–]Thunderdcpains 77 points 2 hours ago

I don’t mind this take if you’re being consistent. Someone should have
asked Pippen about previous MVPs. Westbrook, Curry, even KD, none of
them were dominant on the defensive end. LeBron really hasn’t been for
years either, although I do remember during his MVP years he was. Going
further even Derrick Rose.

Russ and PG damn near missed less shots combined then curry did

I actually like all those players I listed. That’s why I can say with
honesty they are not defensive stars. And I’ll go back even further so
people don’t think it’s just this era, Steve Nash might be one of the
worst defenders I’ve seen and he was a back to back MVP.

雷霆球迷:威少和乔治加起来的打铁数加起来还没库里的打铁数多。

Realistically, LeBron, PG, Kawhi are the three big names I can think of
going back in recent times who are dominant on both ends/are two way
players. But the latter two don’t even have an MVP!

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If the last couple of years was just Kawhi and PG taking turns at MVP it
would be one thing. But where was Pippen’s criticism when the recent
MVPs were winning it? It sounds to me like the GSW announcers taking
shots at Harden and mysteriously avoiding bringing up Steph Curry.

[–]HornetsYizWasHere 112 points 2 hours ago

火箭球迷:如果一定要杠,那我也无所谓。应该问问皮蓬此前的MVP都是谁了,威少、库里甚至是杜兰特,他们没有一个人在防守端具有统治力吧。勒布朗那些年同样没有,尽管他在拿MVP的时候我记得防守还是很强的,但是更远的罗斯同样不以防守著称。

Wtf happened to Steph in the second half lmao

当然我很喜欢我列举的那些球员,我说这些就是为了表示他们也不是防守型球员,再往前说,史蒂夫-纳什应该是连庄MVP里最差的防守者了吧。

黄蜂球迷:库里到底发生了什么哈哈哈。

老实说,莱昂纳德、乔治以及詹姆斯应该是最近在攻防两端都有统治力的球员了吧,但是有两个人都没拿过MVP哦!

[–]WarriorsDSouT 183 points 2 hours ago

如果在到近期,只有莱昂纳德和乔治有机会拿MVP吧,但是为啥皮蓬不批评其他球星呢?看起来就像勇士发言官一直把火力对准哈登然后很神秘的规避掉了库里在防守端的不利。

The Simmons/Westbrook trade has to be one of the worst trade deals of
all-time

编译:海上生明月

勇士球迷:西蒙斯/威斯布鲁克的交易可能是史上最烂交易。

美帝键盘侠—歪果仁精彩评论汇总

[–]HornetsBlaaa5 191 points 2 hours ago

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Steph: “CHARITY! THIS ONES FOR YOU!”

Brick

黄蜂球迷:

库里:“慈善机构!这一球是为你的!”

然后打铁。

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[–]HeatNumber333 1123 points 2 hours ago

Team Giannis don goofed. Had a 15+ point lead what felt like all night,
then Dame came in mid-3rd and brought Team LeBron all the way back, once
it was even KD went OFF and Steph got cold at the worst time.

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